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Do you support a move to add a 25% gratuity to your bill (that you had to pay)?

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Offline terry

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Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« on: October 14, 2011, 09:44:06 AM »
I don't know if this is hoax or not, but servers in San Francisco want a standard 25% "tip" added to every bill. Apparently, they are trying to get a law passed...

Personally, I think this is uncalled for. It would no longer be a "tip", but a tax.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/10/13/san-francisco-restaurants-want-to-make-25-standard-tip-rate/
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Offline Lorenzo

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Re: Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2011, 10:28:23 AM »
What I would like to see is a system where all menu prices take into account the total cost to the restaurant, including servers' full wages and benefits, and no longer being expected to leave ANY so-called "tip."

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Re: Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2011, 11:52:17 AM »
What I would like to see is a system where all menu prices take into account the total cost to the restaurant, including servers' full wages and benefits, and no longer being expected to leave ANY so-called "tip."

I like the tip process personally. It is good to be able to reward good service or not.  Cause and effect sometimes is a great motivator.

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Offline Barnum

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Re: Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2011, 12:11:42 PM »
If it's added automatically, it isn't a tip, it's a 25% increase in the price of food at someplace I won't tip... so I guess I'd have to evaluate if that food was worth that price.

Offline Lorenzo

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Re: Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2011, 12:16:31 PM »
What I would like to see is a system where all menu prices take into account the total cost to the restaurant, including servers' full wages and benefits, and no longer being expected to leave ANY so-called "tip."

I like the tip process personally. It is good to be able to reward good service or not.  Cause and effect sometimes is a great motivator.

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If I were persuaded that tips are a strong motivator of server performance, I'd agree.  But I've come to believe that servers are not strongly motivated by tips, and the kitchen surely isn't.  Servers expect a tip to fall within a range, whether the service was good or bad.  And to some extent I can understand this, since the tip is not really a reward for good service but in many instances a part of their living wage.  It shouldn't be the customer's job to withhold a portion of the server's wages if the service was bad.  I have come to believe that if service is lousy, the best option is to tip a standard amount and alert management of the problem.  The server's motivation comes mainly from management feedback, not the desire for large tips.  Fear of getting fired is a much bigger motivator than fear of a low tip.  As I believe Foodgeek has pointed out before, servers often miss the association between a customer's low tip and the service they gave that customer, blaming the low tip on any of a variety of other things such as the customer being stingy by personality.

The whole concept of tipping servers just puts the customer in the awkward position of managing the server.

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Re: Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2011, 01:46:10 PM »
Just wait for the "additional tip line" below the automatic 25% line.

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Re: Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2011, 02:32:02 PM »
I have come to believe that if service is lousy, the best option is to tip a standard amount and alert management of the problem.  The server's motivation comes mainly from management feedback, not the desire for large tips.  Fear of getting fired is a much bigger motivator than fear of a low tip.  As I believe Foodgeek has pointed out before, servers often miss the association between a customer's low tip and the service they gave that customer, blaming the low tip on any of a variety of other things such as the customer being stingy by personality.

I couldn't agree more.  I tell my friends this all of the time when they comment about leaving a small tip with the expectation that the server will have some sort of 'A-HA!!' moment and realize 'maybe I didn't provide the best service' but instead will go to the back and tell the staff that an a*&#hole left them a sh*&ty tip. 
« Last Edit: October 14, 2011, 03:44:47 PM by Mike GadgetGeek Stock »

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Re: Standard 25% tip added to every restaurant bill...
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2011, 05:44:55 PM »
What I would like to see is a system where all menu prices take into account the total cost to the restaurant, including servers' full wages and benefits, and no longer being expected to leave ANY so-called "tip."

I would love a Euro. service included system where people are decently paid and you can leave a little something extra if you want.

As an "industry" person, I lean towards the 20% plus when I eat out but I often get a lot of "love.". 

And I do agree with a "forced" tip on large parties.

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