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Title: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: LizR on November 26, 2011, 10:38:30 AM
My old Kenmore that came with our house is dying. It is probably close to 15 years old, so I am looking forward to getting a quieter, more efficient model. We only have two and a half people in our household, and we try to be as energy and water efficient as possible. I'm drawn to the Fisher and Paykel double drawer idea, but the reviews are pretty bad and it is very expensive. I see good things online about the Maytag JetClean Plus - the only drawback seems to be that it does not have a half load option. I care about quietness and dependability, not all the bells and whistles. Don't need special cycles (should I even care about a half-load feature?), other than a water saver cycle. The fewer parts to break, the better with me. Also, do any of you have a model without a food grinder? If so, how yucky is that? It sounds kind of horrible to have to manually empty a filter.

Any thoughts or recommendations? Or things to stay away from?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: AndyBoy on November 26, 2011, 12:40:14 PM
We replaced out dishwasher with a Bosch and are very pleased with it. It doesn't have a heating element for drying, instead it uses the heat generated from the wash cycle to dry with and it does a very good job. I don't see a model number on it but it is a model that just came out and was less than $600.00 if I remember correctly. They are made in North Carolina not Germany. It is so quiet it is hard to tell if it is on.

We are slowly replacing all of our appliances. Our new house came with GE Profile appliances and they are all crap. We just got a new washer dryer a couple of days ago. They are Samsung front loading and very energy efficient and use very little water.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: LizR on November 26, 2011, 05:09:50 PM
Thanks. I looked at the Bosch. Do you have to clean out the filter, and if so, how often? I suppose that that depends on how much you pre-rinse, right?
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: AndyBoy on November 27, 2011, 08:39:40 AM
The filter is self cleaning but you can rinse it out if needed. It also does half loads but we usually just wait until it is full to run it.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: HaagenDazs on November 27, 2011, 01:46:35 PM
We've had a Kitchen Aid for about 3 years now and love it.  My Dad and sister both bought a Bosch and our Kitchen Aid is far larger inside.  No filter to worry about, and the built-in disposal in the bottom takes care of any large food scraps.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Beerbitch on November 27, 2011, 02:23:28 PM
I agree on the Kitchenaid.  It's probably not as quiet as the Bosch or Miele but it's pretty quiet with no service issues for 3 years.

Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Jmolinari on November 27, 2011, 02:40:38 PM
Bosch here. Nice and quiet, cleans well, and only uses 7 gallons per wash. I honestly don't remember if mine has a food grinder, i dont think so, but i've only pulled the filter once in a year and it's been clean....
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Check Please on November 28, 2011, 12:15:06 AM
Seriously considered the Bosch at daughter's recommendation, but got buyer's remorse while awaiting installation callback after reading online reviews.  Primary factors were complaints about the Bosch's small capacity and more importantly, comments about odor and mold issues related to lack of heating element for drying.  Purchased a KitchenAid instead and have been delighted with both cleaning efficiency and quietness, even though it was more expensive than the Bosch.  The top of door LED controls are intuitive, offer multiple wash options, and can't be accidentally triggered by moving about.  The washer is so quiet the only way you know it's running is by an single multicolor LED on the door - blue - washing, red - drying, green - done. No food grinder but the filter is completely clean after 4 months and the dishwasher drain is ported to the undersink disposal anyway.  We've chosen KitchenAid as a replacement dishwasher at three of our our previous homes with no regrets and so far we have no reason to suspect that the latest purchase experience will be any different.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: bettylouski on November 28, 2011, 06:56:30 AM
Love, love, love the Bosch Millenium, purchased back in 1999, before the Millenium.  Very quiet and loads of space, especially the tall upper rack - can have dinner for 20 and fit all of the dishes in there.  The lack of a heated drying element is no problem at all since the thing gets so hot that the dishes are dry in no time at all. 
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Corky on November 28, 2011, 07:14:43 AM
I was going to make a smart @$$ comment that my favorite dishwasher is my wife. However, I will say that our KitchenAid dishwasher has been a very good appliance for 15+ years. Several years ago it developed a small leak that was quickly and easily fixed. If for some reason I had to buy another dishwasher it would be another KA, purely based on dependability.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: The_Scientist on November 28, 2011, 08:55:14 AM
Our Whirlpool has recently developed a problem getting top rack dishes clean. Everything seems to run normally, and bottom rack items come out fine, but glasses and cups on the top are hardly getting any cleaning action at all, especially on the sides of the compartment. The upper spray arm moves freely when I check it, but of course I can't see what's going on when the washer is running. Fixing would be preferred to replacing. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Jmolinari on November 28, 2011, 09:08:38 AM
I would cut a hole out of the front door and replace it with plexiglass. Then you can see whats going on!
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Beerbitch on November 28, 2011, 09:28:43 AM
I had that problem and it was blamed on my poor dish loading skills.

Anyways, now use non-environmentally-friendly detergent (finish powerballs) and the problem is solved.  Sorry, endangered river creatures.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: peachE on November 28, 2011, 01:56:54 PM
I do love my Miele dishwasher. It is now 10 years old.  It has a food filter, that I only need to clean occasionally.  There is a silverware rack on the very top that slides out easily.  It is also verey quiet and has delayed settings, china, top rack cleaning only if you have a small load to wash, sani wash.  It wasn't cheap, but I would buy one again b/c it really is worth it!!!
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: FlyinBrian on November 28, 2011, 04:20:22 PM
We have a Kitchen Aid dishwasher.  I do believe it's the best I've ever owned. 
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: loveATL on November 29, 2011, 09:37:21 AM
I have a Bosch and love it.  I was not involved in picking it out and I've only had it for a week and a half and run it twice.  At first, I thought it was super tiny but then I discovered the slide out silverware rack at the top and the adjustable upper rack!  It is incredibly quiet - first time I ran it I couldn't figure out if it was even on until I saw a tiny red light on my floor.  Until I read this thread, I didn't know about it not having a heating element or any filter - need to do some more reading about my new dishwasher  ;)
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: LizR on November 29, 2011, 04:20:25 PM
Wow, thanks guys! Lots of good feedback. As luck would have it, I ordered a Kitchen Aid yesterday afternoon from Lowe's. I went with their higher end one bc there were many complaints online about the cheaper version. It was "on sale" but only in stainless and I needed white, so I didn't get a great deal. After spending hours and hours researching dishwashers, I was ready to be done with it. It came down to a decision between the Bosch and the Kitchen Aid.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: The_Scientist on December 27, 2011, 09:45:39 AM
I consulted with a plumber about the old Whirlpool, and was told it wasn't worth fixing a 14 year old machine. Doing research I was a little taken aback by the way they have gone up in price since I last bought one. It's very easy to spend $1500 or more, and $600 is about average. User ratings are mostly proportional to price; the more you spend, the more you're likely to be happy, although it's not always the case. Expensive machines are more likely to have problems out of the box, just because there are more features to break.

I wound up buying a basic Kenmore because Sears offered free delivery and same day installation (at extra cost) on top of 15% off the sale price. It's pretty bare bones, no adjustable racks or multiple spray arms, but since we may not stay here much longer, I had no incentive to spend more. It works fine, although it's fairly noisy and heated drying is needed if you don't want sopping wet dishes when you take them out. I got what I paid for.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: papagatt on December 28, 2011, 10:47:50 AM
I do love my Miele dishwasher. It is now 10 years old.  It has a food filter, that I only need to clean occasionally.  There is a silverware rack on the very top that slides out easily.  It is also verey quiet and has delayed settings, china, top rack cleaning only if you have a small load to wash, sani wash.  It wasn't cheap, but I would buy one again b/c it really is worth it!!!

We also have a Miele-- Loundry & I bought it back in '98 - we've moved it with us each time we've moved and it still works like a champ- this is hands down the single best dishwasher we've ever had- it is spendy- but it uses very little water, is super quiet, uses a tiny bit of detergent, gets the dishes spotless clean -- and like the bosch has no heating element so nothing has ever burnt up and melted- highly recommended-

on a side note i called Miele service last year to ask if we needed to do any preventative maintenance as it's so old and we've never done anything to it. I figured it might need the 10 year 10,000 washes tune up or something- the tech on the phone said nope-- no problems no need to do anything special-
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: LizR on December 29, 2011, 11:50:25 PM
Well, the new Kitchen Aid doesn't really fit under our counter because it sticks out about a quarter inch on one side and a half an inch on the other, and has an external bowed handle, so that kind of looks cruddy. I'm not really happy with the fact that you basically have to bend to the floor to put dishes in the bottom rack either. Plus I can't easily and smartly close it and seal it with a side-ways kick of my foot, like I used to be able to do on our old one.  Also, even though our old unit was at least 13 years old, it was not that much louder than this unit, which ended up being about $900 because I wanted a white one, and only the stainless stell ones were on sale for $699 - crazy. It is ok but it seems like everything that we buy is just ok lately, not great. I kind of regret not getting the Bosch or the Miele.
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Beerbitch on December 30, 2011, 08:12:39 AM
Well, the new Kitchen Aid doesn't really fit under our counter because it sticks out about a quarter inch on one side and a half an inch on the other, and has an external bowed handle, so that kind of looks cruddy. I'm not really happy with the fact that you basically have to bend to the floor to put dishes in the bottom rack either. Plus I can't easily and smartly close it and seal it with a side-ways kick of my foot, like I used to be able to do on our old one.  Also, even though our old unit was at least 13 years old, it was not that much louder than this unit, which ended up being about $900 because I wanted a white one, and only the stainless stell ones were on sale for $699 - crazy. It is ok but it seems like everything that we buy is just ok lately, not great. I kind of regret not getting the Bosch or the Miele.

Remember when you had to pay EXTRA for stainless.  We had sticker shock buying all-white appliances....

The heel kick is an ESSENTIAL factor!
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: LizR on December 30, 2011, 10:02:41 AM
Well, the new Kitchen Aid doesn't really fit under our counter because it sticks out about a quarter inch on one side and a half an inch on the other, and has an external bowed handle, so that kind of looks cruddy. I'm not really happy with the fact that you basically have to bend to the floor to put dishes in the bottom rack either. Plus I can't easily and smartly close it and seal it with a side-ways kick of my foot, like I used to be able to do on our old one.  Also, even though our old unit was at least 13 years old, it was not that much louder than this unit, which ended up being about $900 because I wanted a white one, and only the stainless stell ones were on sale for $699 - crazy. It is ok but it seems like everything that we buy is just ok lately, not great. I kind of regret not getting the Bosch or the Miele.

Remember when you had to pay EXTRA for stainless.  We had sticker shock buying all-white appliances....

The heel kick is an ESSENTIAL factor!

Ah, a fellow heel kicker! LOL

I was joking with the guy at Lowe's about when stainless will be the new 70's avocado green...
Title: Re: Do you love your dishwasher?
Post by: Lorenzo on December 30, 2011, 11:53:36 AM
. . .
I was joking with the guy at Lowe's about when stainless will be the new 70's avocado green...

When I was a kid in the '70s, our kitchen had stainless steel countertops and appliances from the '50s that were to some extent stainless steel, which my parents replaced with Formica (?) countertops and avocado green or mustard yellow appliances.  Maybe the '70s look will make a comeback when stainless steel goes out of fashion again.