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Title: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 07, 2011, 09:25:07 PM
They're allowed now.  Ale Yeah! will be getting some kegs to do fills, not sure who else will be doing it.  Should start soon. 
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: HaagenDazs on April 07, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
Very good to hear!  It won't be long before all the 108 year old lawmakers die off and leave room for more sensible members of society. 
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Mike GadgetGeek Stock on April 07, 2011, 11:42:45 PM


Some of the neat growlers that they are showing in Beer Advocate magazine are pretty snazzy, is there any word if they will only refill their own growlers ?

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Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 08, 2011, 06:31:41 AM
Not suer they're going to let you have your own - think about sanitation. Places like Bear Republic will sell you one of theirs and refill it, but I think I remember them swapping out the growlers the last time I was there and taking the used one to get washed.

Might just be easier to go with beer cubes.It will stay fresher longer during its all too brief lifetime.

This is what I've wanted for years. I'd love to go to a dinner with a growler of dunkleweissbier during the summer, sit and relax with friends as the bubbles drift slowly by...
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 08, 2011, 08:13:00 AM
http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS382US383&q=beer+growler+bags&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=10173440073729082866&sa=X&ei=7QifTcKuFpS-tgfGmrmcAw&ved=0CDEQ8wIwAg#

I'm going to invent the growler sippy cup - I'll be rich!
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 08, 2011, 08:14:50 AM
Guess we should link to the article..

http://www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta-restaurants-food/beer-town-hop-city-899648.html
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Mike GadgetGeek Stock on April 08, 2011, 01:02:39 PM
Guess we should link to the article..

http://www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta-restaurants-food/beer-town-hop-city-899648.html

I know we all hate it when someone says " In California they do this and such"..   But at a nice brewery that my brother sometimes attends they have a one minute growler washer that will do one or up to four growlers at a time.  Most of what they have are replacements but a few months ago, after they got the spiffy growler washer they allowed folks to bring their own.  It's pretty nifty to have a cool Stainless Steel growlers with your name or your teams name on it I'm thinkin. 

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Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 08, 2011, 01:14:54 PM
Seeing as this flew under a number of radars, I'm thinking that you'll see a few places crop up selling growlers. I think the folks in Hop City will do it up right, which means you just may get to have your own giant sippy cup. I love it.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Lorenzo on April 08, 2011, 03:23:52 PM
Guess we should link to the article..

http://www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta-restaurants-food/beer-town-hop-city-899648.html

I know we all hate it when ....

"all"?  ;)
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Lorenzo on April 08, 2011, 03:30:31 PM
So, seriously, what's the skinny on the change in the law?  Was it a state law that was repealed/amended?  If so, this really went under the radar!

What are the limitations?  Do we now have the paradox of breweries/brewpubs not being allowed to sell growlers of the beer they make on the premises, while retail stores can sell growlers of other people's beer?  That would truly be weird.  The whole point--well, historically--was to allow people to bring home beer fresh from the brewery.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: AndrewW06 on April 08, 2011, 03:48:59 PM
late last year the GA DoR reviewed and revised their view on growlers.  They are now allowed in Georgia (assuming local authorities allow them).  My understanding is the current interpretation of the law is that they can only be sold at a business that has an off premise license and do not sell liquor.  However, I saw that Twain's is looking into how they could sell growlers
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 08, 2011, 08:33:03 PM
From what I've read, it has to be a separate location from your bar (assuming you have one), and the folks over in Athens basically worked with the state to get the law clarified to the point that we wouldn't be seeing a number of places opening up and then shut down by the revenuers.

Ever since the day I had a sip of Stone that someone brought in from the coast in a grower, I was hoping that we'd someday have growlers.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 09, 2011, 12:56:45 AM
From what I've read, it has to be a separate location from your bar (assuming you have one), and the folks over in Athens basically worked with the state to get the law clarified to the point that we wouldn't be seeing a number of places opening up and then shut down by the revenuers.

Ever since the day I had a sip of Stone that someone brought in from the coast in a grower, I was hoping that we'd someday have growlers.
Yeah, I have a Stone 40 oz metal canteen and a glass growler.  At their brewery they have the most awesome signs I've ever seen: 15 minute parking for growler fills.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Lorenzo on April 09, 2011, 09:39:44 AM
Yeah, I have a Stone 40 oz metal canteen and a glass growler.  At their brewery they have the most awesome signs I've ever seen: 15 minute parking for growler fills.

Exactly.  I used to have a growler but left it behind when I left that state-whose-name-shall-not-be-mentioned but where Stone is located.  I don't see much of an advantage to filling a growler from a keg in a beer store.  Filling a growler from the freshest batch at one's local brewery is the whole point.  Well, maybe the change in the DoR regulations is the first step.  That's GA for ya--baby steps.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 09, 2011, 10:03:15 AM
I don't see much of an advantage to filling a growler from a keg in a beer store. 
Good for little parties when a keg is overkill.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Mike GadgetGeek Stock on April 09, 2011, 10:10:03 AM
Yeah, I have a Stone 40 oz metal canteen and a glass growler.  At their brewery they have the most awesome signs I've ever seen: 15 minute parking for growler fills.

Exactly.  I used to have a growler but left it behind when I left that state-whose-name-shall-not-be-mentioned but where Stone is located.  I don't see much of an advantage to filling a growler from a keg in a beer store.  Filling a growler from the freshest batch at one's local brewery is the whole point.  Well, maybe the change in the DoR regulations is the first step.  That's GA for ya--baby steps.

As long as I know that the "flow" through the well kept keg is happening enough to keep the lines flushed, I'LL TAKE A GROWLER FULL OF GOOD BEER FROM MY BEER STORE !

Has anyone checked with our several beerpubs to see if they will be filling growlers?  Huh ?


Damn Lorenzo, leaving a growler behind is not as bad as, but sortof like leaving a child or a favorite pet behind.   8)

Here is an inexpensive way to ride the growler train.   Take a couple bottles, fill them with your favorite brew, they should keep for several day.  I hear that they are bottom filling some growlers in MN. with a CO2 mixture to insure they stay fresh for a couple days.

http://www.midwestsupplies.com/32-oz-ez-cap-bottle-amber-1-bottle.html (http://www.midwestsupplies.com/32-oz-ez-cap-bottle-amber-1-bottle.html)

Another cooler one:

http://store.deschutesbrewery.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=GROWLER (http://store.deschutesbrewery.com/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=GROWLER)

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Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Mike GadgetGeek Stock on April 09, 2011, 10:14:37 AM
I don't see much of an advantage to filling a growler from a keg in a beer store. 
Good for little parties when a keg is overkill. 

Even for a party I think a keg is overkill.  Well not a real big party where there are PBR drinkers..  ;)

I like bottled beer for the variety.  Though I am not a competitive drinker by any means, sometimes I have 20 or 50 kinds of beer between my college beer fridge in the great room and my garage "stash" refrigerator.  I can just watch CP's eyes roll when I say "I'm out of beer",  she says "you mean you don't have any Loose Cannon don't you" ?   LOL

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Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Lorenzo on April 09, 2011, 02:18:37 PM
I don't see much of an advantage to filling a growler from a keg in a beer store. 
Good for little parties when a keg is overkill.

The assumption is that the same beer isn't available in bottles?  May or may not be true.  Growlers are fun, but they do lose carbonation and are kind of unwieldy.  If the same beer is available in bottles, I'd rather bring bottles to a party.

Growlers are useful with breweries/brewpubs that sell kegs/draft only and don't have a bottling line.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 09, 2011, 02:54:39 PM
I don't see much of an advantage to filling a growler from a keg in a beer store. 
Good for little parties when a keg is overkill.

The assumption is that the same beer isn't available in bottles?  May or may not be true.  Growlers are fun, but they do lose carbonation and are kind of unwieldy.  If the same beer is available in bottles, I'd rather bring bottles to a party.

Growlers are useful with breweries/brewpubs that sell kegs/draft only and don't have a bottling line.
For me it will really come down to the question of price per oz and whether it's a beer that could be bought in a bottle.  Hop City says they will mainly carry stuff you can't get in a bottle.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: biskuit on April 09, 2011, 03:49:48 PM
Has anyone checked with our several beerpubs to see if they will be filling growlers?  Huh ?

My understanding is that brewpubs will not be able to do this since they serve on premise, and it would need to go through a distributor as well. Fun, huh?
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Lorenzo on April 09, 2011, 03:50:39 PM
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Hop City says they will mainly carry stuff you can't get in a bottle.

That would make sense.  I'm sure Hop City will do justice to the growler concept.  And I agree that price will be a consideration; growler beer should theoretically be a bargain, since there's normally no packaging step involved.  Of course, if instead of a local brewery filling directly from their tank we've got a beer store filling from an expensive keg of hard-to-find beer, it might not be cheaper than if the same beer were available in a bottle.  Can't wait to see what they offer and the price.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Lorenzo on April 09, 2011, 03:52:40 PM
Has anyone checked with our several beerpubs to see if they will be filling growlers?  Huh ?

My understanding is that brewpubs will not be able to do this since they serve on premise, and it would need to go through a distributor as well. Fun, huh?

Right.  This change in DoR regulations doesn't change the stupid 3-tier distribution system, so the major advantage of filling growlers--filling directly at the source--cannot yet be achieved in GA.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: totm on April 09, 2011, 08:53:43 PM
Here is an inexpensive way to ride the growler train.  
train?  I thought it was growler plane.  In the Delta concourse in PDX there is a Rogue Tavern that sells growlers of several of their beers (growler of Double Dead Guy anyone?).  One beer from Delta and a growlers worth make quite the enjoyable flight.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: MadBob on April 10, 2011, 06:54:01 AM
Here is an inexpensive way to ride the growler train.  
train?  I thought it was growler plane.  In the Delta concourse in PDX there is a Rogue Tavern that sells growlers of several of their beers (growler of Double Dead Guy anyone?).  One beer from Delta and a growlers worth make quite the enjoyable flight.

I think you are right!
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 10, 2011, 11:41:06 AM
Here is an inexpensive way to ride the growler train.  
train?  I thought it was growler plane.  In the Delta concourse in PDX there is a Rogue Tavern that sells growlers of several of their beers (growler of Double Dead Guy anyone?).  One beer from Delta and a growlers worth make quite the enjoyable flight.
My last trip back from PDX in December I was looking forward to that, but by the time I got there late to catch a redeye I was done with beer.  I cold barely drink one Shakespeare Stout.  Between the holiday ale fest and all the bars, at that point I just wanted some water.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 11, 2011, 01:36:08 PM
Hop City is launching growlers on Thursday the 14th after 5. I plan on being there.

No clue on what they plan to offer... :'(
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: bettylouski on April 12, 2011, 07:13:37 AM
Not in Decatur, but the fairly new Beer Growler in Athens next to Gosford wine (and related to the 5&10 empire) has a nice selection.  Over the weekend we picked up Stone Sublimely Self-Righteous black IPA and Southern Tier 2XIPA.  The guys said they will keep for a month unopened and 48 hours once tapped.  We had the Stone last night with some ribs and had no problem finishing it,  I must say it was nice to have tap quality beer at home.  I can definitely see stopping in there every time we're over that way.  However, I'd really love it if Twain's was able to sell growlers.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 12, 2011, 12:32:48 PM
This from Kraig at Hop City:

Opening day highlights
include New Belgium Oo La La & 10-10, Red Brick 16th Anniv, Terrapin Moo Hoo
& Rye Squared
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 12, 2011, 04:50:13 PM


Some of the neat growlers that they are showing in Beer Advocate magazine are pretty snazzy, is there any word if they will only refill their own growlers ?

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I just talked to Eddie at Ale Yeah about that.  He says the statute only really says that the growler has to be branded, and not that it has to come from the same establishment.  He said as nice as it would be to have a policy of only refilling Ale Yeah growlers he doesn't think it's feasible, so as long as it's a branded 64 oz growler he'll probably fill it.  He said they're still a few weeks away from being ready though, so nothing is set yet.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: bettylouski on April 14, 2011, 11:20:32 AM
http://blogs.ajc.com/drink/2011/04/13/beer-town-hop-city-will-be-first-to-sell-growlers-in-atlanta/
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 16, 2011, 02:30:19 PM
Right now, everyone is playing it cool in regards to growlers - State of GA is being anal in the interpetation of the laws. So you have to use their growler, since it has their label on it and the obligatory health warning.

Hop City has about 12 taps in the back - Duvel Green looked to be the only non-American on the list. They want to start with local/US stuff, then start bringing more imports on the list (hell, I'd love to get a growler of Fullers). So please don't growl because you can't use your fancy bottle and just be happy we can enjoy a jug o beer.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 16, 2011, 07:22:51 PM
Hop City has about 12 taps in the back - Duvel Green looked to be the only non-American on the list.
Someone told me today that they have De Struise/Stillwater Outblack, brewed by De Struise in Belgium, but it's $48 :o
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: Lorenzo on April 16, 2011, 08:56:01 PM
$48 for a growler? ... or for the full keg? :D
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: KoPP on April 17, 2011, 05:55:54 AM
If it's close to the price of Black Albert, then that seems right - remember, a growler is a little under 2l. or 6 - .33l pulls at the Brick in the Belgium room. $48 for the growler would put it at about $8 a glass(.33l). Brooklyn Lager was about $9, which is about $2.50 a glass (16oz). If/when they carry St. Bernardius, it'll be more than $48...

Remember, they arent distributers, they're retailers - prices are going to be close to shelf prices.
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: jpellett251 on April 17, 2011, 09:55:39 AM
If it's close to the price of Black Albert, then that seems right - remember, a growler is a little under 2l. or 6 - .33l pulls at the Brick in the Belgium room. $48 for the growler would put it at about $8 a glass(.33l). Brooklyn Lager was about $9, which is about $2.50 a glass (16oz). If/when they carry St. Bernardius, it'll be more than $48...

Remember, they arent distributers, they're retailers - prices are going to be close to shelf prices.
I was thinking the same thing.  And a beer like that is usually sold in 8 oz servings, so it's more like $6, which I'm guessing is cheaper than what it will be when it goes on tap somewhere (I saw a keg sitting at the Porter).
Title: Re: Growlers in Decatur
Post by: MadBob on April 23, 2011, 07:04:57 AM
I understand Ale Yeah is starting to assemble the coolers for the Growler Stations, not sure if they are approved as of yet. Hope that Eddie has the angles worked out for pouring into clean Growlers and keeping the lines free of all that "Ale's" and troubles those pesky lines. Leessee, bottom fill, foam and cap, purge with or without, not all Growler Stations will be able to meet the standard req's for pouring uncontaminated, and there is a lot of energy to be devoted not to mention the almighty dollar for a successful operation! Hope it works out!